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Re: Suspended due to AUP - but why? Clarifications please
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Suspended due to AUP - but why? Clarifications please
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privax
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Registered: 06-13-2009


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Hey all, On the 13th of June 2009 PayPal suspended my account as they stated my website located http://hidemyass.com was a breach of their service. Our site HideMyAss.com offers free web privacy solutions to online users. We use Paypal as the main form of payment for our premium proxy list service located http://www.hidemyass.com/proxy-list/ On this section of our site you can view a database of IP and port addresses which enable you to secure your internet connection and enable you to change IP address -- what is illegal about this? The payment page is located here: http://www.hidemyass.com/proxy-list/premium I strongly suggest they reevaluate this decision as my site is 100% legal and I feel there is some incompetence with some of their staff due to the actual name of my website; I feel this is why they suspended me -- if the site was called PrivacySolutions.com then I doubt there would be any problem. Please see our competitors which use PayPal fine: http://www.freeproxylists.com (paypal payment here http://www.freeproxylists.com) https://www.xroxy.com/payment.html (proxy lists payment paypal) http://www.proxylistservice.com (payment here http://www.proxylistservice.com/SellProxyList.html ) http://www.eliteproxyswitcher.com/subs.php (paypal accepted) http://www.totalnetprivacy.com (payment here http://www.totalnetprivacy.com/membership.aspx ) http://proxify.co.uk/subscribe.shtml (See the form list on the right with the list of payment types) http://proxy.org (payment here http://proxy.org/upgrade.pl?ty=Top_Ten is where they use Paypal) http://www.zerolike.com/ (payment here http://www.zerolike.com/cgiproxy2/process.php?plan=1 ) https://www.cgiwebproxy.com (payment here https://www.cgiwebproxy.com ) http://www.superproxy.co.uk/ (payment by paypal same page) http://pps.nntime.com/index.html (payment here scroll down for paypal http://pps.nntime.com/signup/signup_step_2.php) https://www.secure-tunnel.com/signup/signup_2_payment.cfm?package=ultimate&term=1&usenet=done&CFID=730798&CFTOKEN=54195856 http://www.proxeasy.com/ (payment here https://members.proxeasy.com/membership.aspx ) http://www.findproxy.org (payment paypal http://www.findproxy.org/advertise.php ) http://www.webproxylists.net/advertise.php (advertise on proxy website with paypal) https://aniscartujo.com/ssltunnel/ (payment on same page) http://paidproxy.com/ (payment here http://proxybonanza.com/signup/form?selected=lite&set=shared ) And many more. I feal their decision to lock my account with a lot of money in it, for no apparent reason apart from a robot response is very harsh indeed. I own other websites and businesses and these are being affected. Please could you try to assist me and share your own personal opinions: 1) Do you think my website IS a breach against PayPal's AUP? 2) What can I do to resolve the issue? I have contacted them but all I receive is robotic responses . Thanks in advance people
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06-13-2009 12:26 PM
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Re: Suspended due to AUP - but why? Clarifications please
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angelleye
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Posts: 3154
Registered: 06-25-2006


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In situations where I feel an account has been shutdown because of incorrect information, or maybe a mis-understanding on their end, I simply call PayPal and get a manager on the phone.
Here's the key. Don't be an ass. They've got policies they have to follow and they have employees trying to learn these policies themselves and mistakes happen. It can be a pain, but complaining about it will get you no where. This post seems reasonable...just make sure while you're on the phone with them you suck it up and be courteous no matter how ignorant you think they are or frustrating it gets. That goes with calling any business like this...not just PayPal. I've always found that no matter how mad I am nothing gets done if I show it. If you don't show it, you get your goal accomplished...when possible.
Anyway, the key word is escalate. Call your PayPal rep again and explain what you did here....that your business does not violate any policy and you feel there's been a mis-understanding and you'd like to speak to somebody who can help you with that. If they give you any problems say "May I please be escalated to a manager?" They'll get you on the phone with another person.
Now, you might have to do that a couple of times before you actually get on the phone with a real manager. Continue explaining yourself (remain calm and don't let repeating the story frustrate you) and if they don't help request escalation again. Generally, when a real manager actually gets on the phone you know it becuase they're not following a script. At this point explain your situation again, maybe even through in a line about how you understand how your name might have caused a misunderstanding about what it is you do, etc. Each time I've followed this procedure I've been able to get the account looked at again by somebody who's heard my side of the situation and I've been happy with the result. That's NOT to say that I've been able to every account I've done this with turned back on. If PayPal doesn't like your business model for any reason they won't let you use their services. Simple as that. In the very least, though, you'll get a better explanation of why which seems to be what you're seeking here. In your case they may simply request that you change the business name. Maybe the business model itself is no problem but the domain name (company name) might violate their policy. I honestly don't know without studying it myself. Maybe suggest that you'll change the name and see if they'll turn it back on then. Anyway, just my two cents in situations like this. Good luck!
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06-13-2009 01:03 PM
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Re: Suspended due to AUP - but why? Clarifications please
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privax
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Posts: 3
Registered: 06-13-2009


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Thanks for your reply. Yes it is hard to remain calm, especially when a situation like this occurs; frozen account = no payments accepted = loss of clients and disruption of billing. A big problem resides in the fact I run a few other websites which use the same account. I will try to be sincere as possible but I'm in a bit of a maze; in order to resolve the frozen account I have to say "I agree that my site is in violation" but I do not think it is, but I don't want to come across as arrogant. You mention contact my account rep, but I was unaware I had one -- any idea where I can get this information? With regards to a name change that is not possible. We've been running for 4-5 years and the name is what "makes the site".
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06-13-2009 01:16 PM
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Re: Suspended due to AUP - but why? Clarifications please
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angelleye
Ace Developer
Posts: 3154
Registered: 06-25-2006


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It might not be an actual account rep but if you sign into your account, click on Help, then contact, contact by phone, you'll get a temporary web pin that you'll enter when you call the phone number shown there along with it. Then when the person gets on the phone with you they'll have your account pulled up in front of them already. Believe me, I know it's hard to stay calm, but I guarantee you things will get resolved much quicker if you do than they will if you don't.
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06-13-2009 01:22 PM
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Re: Suspended due to AUP - but why? Clarifications please
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privax
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Posts: 3
Registered: 06-13-2009


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Received a reply: [quote]Dear XXX,
Thank you for contacting PayPal. I appreciate the opportunity to assist you today.
I apologise for the delay that you have experienced in hearing back from PayPal Customer Support. This delay is the result of a high volume of incoming email inquiries lately. We are working as quickly as we can to address all of your concerns in a timely manner and to get our email volumes under control. Thank you for your understanding.
Mr. XXX, I understand that you are enquiring why your account was in violation of our Acceptable Use Policy. You are also concerned about your competitors who are selling the same items.
I have reviewed your account and I can see that your account was limited fro your website sells items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity.
In addition, please note that we are also investigating your competitors and if we proved that they are selling the same their account will be limited as well.
Also, please note that due to security purposes we were unable to open your website.[/quote] 
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06-14-2009 12:49 PM
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Re: Suspended due to AUP - but why? Clarifications please
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PayPal_FrankIb
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Posts: 13853
Registered: 06-07-2006


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Hi privax, Unfortunately, we can't do anything from this site. This is a developer's forum geared to adding PayPal to a website. Because of privacy and security reasons we do have access to accounts. You will need to call in to customer service and ask to speak with a resolution services agent who will be able to assist you with your account. If you had an account manager, you would been contacted long before this. To have an account manager you have to have a certain amount of income revenue. So call in and ask to speak with a resolution services agent. Frank I. PayPal Certified Developer PayPal Merchant Technical Services Analyst http://www.paypaldeveloper.com PayPal, an eBay Company
Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
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06-15-2009 07:20 AM
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